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    Hot News Stories

    IMO we need one thread for hot news topics.
    #1 on the soap box is the Apple Phone encryption issue?
    The FBI CIA, NSA, wants Apple to unlock the dead terrorist phone, with no probable cause or warrent.
    Apple can't or won't do it.
    I for one think they shouldn't either.
    What do you think about it.
    Also if you have a news story you want to stomp on, you can do it here!
    Apple opposes order to hack San Bernardino gunman's phone - CNN.com
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    I'm with you Terry!
    They are not being asked to get info off that one phone, but build a device to allow others to eventually open it.
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    ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” - Benjamin Franklin

    Said so long ago, but rings so true today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    IMO we need one thread for hot news topics.
    #1 on the soap box is the Apple Phone encryption issue?
    The FBI CIA, NSA, wants Apple to unlock the dead terrorist phone, with no probable cause or warrent.
    Apple can't or won't do it.
    I for one think they shouldn't either.
    What do you think about it.
    Also if you have a news story you want to stomp on, you can do it here!
    Apple opposes order to hack San Bernardino gunman's phone - CNN.com
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    Fine print in the 'Berdino story: the lovely couple's cell phones are set up to wipe out all data on the 10th attempt to crack into them.

    If NSA, CIA, FBI are so smaaaaaart, why do they need Apple to crack into the phone? I smell another on-purpose news leak. Besides, the alphabet soup spooks have so much info already, they're buried under it. Still don't have messages decoded from 15+ years ago and that includes non-encrypted conversations. So much for "intelligence."

    Best to assume all your commo is under scrutiny. I regularly say hello to the eavesdroppers, then listen to snap crackle pop on the phone line.

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    True story: In the mid 80's I worked for a satellite electronics company. Someone from the CIA showed up one day with an example of their new supposedly "crack-proof" video encryption for the purpose of seeing how difficult it actually was to decrypt. Myself and 2 other techs cracked it in about 10 minutes. That was years ago, but I'm betting they are still slow to keep up with new technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    True story: In the mid 80's I worked for a satellite electronics company. Someone from the CIA showed up one day with an example of their new supposedly "crack-proof" video encryption for the purpose of seeing how difficult it actually was to decrypt. Myself and 2 other techs cracked it in about 10 minutes. That was years ago, but I'm betting they are still slow to keep up with new technology.
    But now we are going to have to kill you

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    True story: In the mid 80's I worked for a satellite electronics company. Someone from the CIA showed up one day with an example of their new supposedly "crack-proof" video encryption for the purpose of seeing how difficult it actually was to decrypt. Myself and 2 other techs cracked it in about 10 minutes. That was years ago, but I'm betting they are still slow to keep up with new technology.
    This explains why you cant travel to visit Stan....

    Blackberries have always been encrypted, causing several despotic governments to ban them (Saudi notably), and the statements about encrypted data slowing down defense against the Paris attacks came out far to fast to be founded on actual knowledge. Its very important for Governments to use high profile cases to justify ongoing privacy erosion.

    The US government wants to EASILY & QUICKLY compile all data and then hope they can have some algorithm that pulls out a meaningful threat. This is because their bulk approach would require an infinite number of analysts, which is impossible. They undoubtedly have systems to do this 99% of the time but need to make high profile cases like this to drive public opinion to being OK with this new completely privacy free world that they hope keeps the spooks employed and us semi safe.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Apple lawsuit was requested by Apple to give them cover for a backdoor they already engineered.
    Nude-starlet-photo-gate wasn't good for Apple's image of a secure company to trust with your data.

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    NewsFlash! John McAfee has offered to the FBI to decrypt the San Bernardino phone for them. (he's also running for president )
    In a win-win, the FBI gets their intel, and Apple does not design a back door.
    Most interesting was his take on why the FBI doesn't have the mustard to crack the phones themselves:

    "And why do the best hackers on the planet not work for the FBI? Because the FBI will not hire anyone with a 24-inch purple mohawk, 10-gauge ear piercings, and a tattooed face who demands to smoke weed while working and won't work for less than a half-million dollars a year," he wrote. "But you bet your ass that the Chinese and Russians are hiring similar people with similar demands and have been for many years. It's why we are decades behind in the cyber race."
    (John McAfee Offers To Hack Terrorist's iPhone For FBI)
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    Oddly ABC has just reported that Apple says the iPhone pass code was reset by a county official 24h after the FBI took possession of it.

    WTF??

    So if the County reset it they know what the (new) pass-code is right? So the county (who owns the phone) could unlock it.

    And the FBI left the phone ON and un-shielded for 24h after they took it as evidence? Where they hoping U2 would drop another free album??
    What cyber dunces, where is Patricia Arquette when you need her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    #1 on the soap box is the Apple Phone encryption issue?
    The FBI CIA, NSA, wants Apple to unlock the dead terrorist phone, with no probable cause or warrent.
    Apple can't or won't do it.
    Today's headline is Kandidate Chump wants everybody to boycott Apple products. Wow I can see how this could backfire . . . or Apple could simply buy him off. "Double your fortune right now, just zip it, clowny. And give up your candidacy." If I was Apple's CEO I'd make him that offer, in public. Boycott Apple, AS IF! Talk about twisting the dragon's tail. What a bozo.

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    Here's some high tech.
    How about a 10KW Laser. Wow
    We should be able to cut some shit up with that! lol
    High-energy laser effector tested on German warship - UPI.com
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    Did Hillary Clinton Just Finish Bernie Sanders Off?
    Probably!
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...nders-off.html
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    The iPhone in question is owned by San Bernadino County which has given the feds permission to attempt to break the encryption which removes some of the privacy concerns cited. But I really doubt that the terrorist used that iPhone to communicate with other terrorists.

    Anyone who has watched The Wire knows that it is much safer to use "burners", cheap pre-paid phones which can be easily disposed of. And anything said or texted would undoubtedly be in code.

    BTW if you haven't watched The Wire it is one of the highest rated cable mini-series that ran for 5 seasons on HBO from 2002 to 2008, a real sleeper which was not that popular when originally broadcast but built up momentum over the years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire

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    P.S. I think that the important issue here is whether the feds decide to require that new phones have a backdoor to bypass the encryption... Now that would open the door to hackers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Did Hillary Clinton Just Finish Bernie Sanders Off?
    Probably!
    Did Hillary Clinton Just Finish Bernie Sanders Off? - The Daily Beast
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    From that article...

    >>> On Twitter, Berniebros and Hillarybots are scratching each others’ eyes out. But out there in the world, it’s not that nasty. I was on an elevator in New York New York with about 17 Clinton supporters and two Sanders people. The Clinton people joked, “OK, we’ve got ’em outnumbered, let’s get ’em!” Everyone laughed good-naturedly. The leader of the Sanders people, a 30-something black woman, said, “We’ll all be together in the fall.” <<<

    I don't do Twitter but I've seen much hostility between the two camps on Facebook. Although I support all of his policies as goals we need to aim for I really doubt that Middle America would elect him in November. Here is a letter from today's paper:

    READERS' LETTERS: Bernie won’t win [SF Chron 02/21/2016]
    • We are living in interesting and dangerous political times. If only the drumbeat of idealism could radically change human behavior and heal the ills of American society! The message and forthrightness of Sen. Bernie Sanders and the prominent politicos and academicians of the Bay Area such as Willie Brown and Robert Reich, are appealing to many, both young and old.
    • However, we live in times when progressive realism, not utopia, may help further a reasonable program of social justice for the middle and lower classes. By weakening the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, the ultra-liberal wing of the Democratic Party is chasing a wild dream, the likes of which this country has already lived and regretted in the fall of 1972.
    • The messianic zeal of Sanders, though appealing to our Bay Area liberal political instincts, is hardly suited for the complex political realities of the American heartland. America did not “come home” with George Mc-Govern in 1972 and it won’t with Sanders in 2016. The nightmare is that it will go to Washington with Trump, instead.
    ••• Eugenio Frongia, Berkeley
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    P.S. I am more of a Progressive Realist than an Ultra-liberal these days. I am fiscally conservative but not by cutting back on the safety nets- there is much more money wasted on executives in the public sector and the insane profits of government contractors. With computers and spreadsheets most middle managers in the private and public sectors could be replaced by data entry clerks.It ain't 1980 anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Fine print in the 'Berdino story: the lovely couple's cell phones are set up to wipe out all data on the 10th attempt to crack into them.
    The last I heard they did not know if the terrorist had actually activated that feature but the possibility that he did precludes any brute force attempt to guess the password.

    I think that the actual owner of iPhones used by corporations or govt agencies should be given the option to permanently disable that feature- if an employee dies or is angry about being terminated the actual owner should be able to reuse the corporate or agency phone.

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    Apple's take on it maybe, is they offer their customers real security.
    If you want your data to be secure with encryption, that is your right as an american.
    If the government can break the encryption, so be it.
    If you want a self destruct provision, then that is your right.
    I hope AAPL sticks to their guns!
    If they do what the FBI wants, this will set a president, and if they do it once, it will be eternal.
    Like Steve said, their probably ain't nuthin on it anyhow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve A. View Post
    I think that the actual owner of iPhones used by corporations or govt agencies should be given the option to permanently disable that feature- if an employee dies or is angry about being terminated the actual owner should be able to reuse the corporate or agency phone. Steve A.
    Today's NPR report has it that the county had the option of disabling the encryption on the phones they issued, including the one the murderer had, and failed to do so. According to the report it's not a one time switch, but costs $4 a month per phone to be unencrypted. Sounds a little flaky that story, but if it's so, can you blame the county for trying to save some money? Would save a couple grand a year if that's the case.

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    The FBI finally admitted that they mistakenly locked the terrorists iPhone when they reset the phone 24h after they took it as evidence.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/te...committee.html

    What idiots!

    To demand you get your every wish after you screw up?? That's like 911 all over again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    The FBI finally admitted that they mistakenly locked the terrorists iPhone when they reset the phone 24h after they took it as evidence.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/te...committee.html

    What idiots!

    To demand you get your every wish after you screw up?? That's like 911 all over again!
    Fumbling Bumbling Idjits director wants his cake & yours too. Just what was his point in that video? You know he's lying when he says he wants us to have our "security" aka encryption, well if we're going to have it so are the bad guys. So . . . nobody should and you know what that means. They can try to pass it off as "metadata" but the spooks will be collecting all our commo all the time. Only problem, as has already been demonstrated, the more they have, the further they get behind analyzing it. Must be dismaying, knowing all the time "we could know everything, but we can't." Just relax boyz, go back to Project Artichoke, there must be some leftovers that will help you contemplate the infinite.

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    Former Putin aide died of 'blunt force trauma' - CNN.com
    I guess the Russian govt told his family he had a heart stroke. They ain't lying getting your head bashed in will make your heart stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbass View Post
    Former Putin aide died of 'blunt force trauma' - CNN.com
    I guess the Russian govt told his family he had a heart stroke. They ain't lying getting your head bashed in will make your heart stop.
    He only died...last November?! I guess we can now understand the real time required for GED forensics to get done, as opposed to your typical fantastic TV procedural show where analysis takes 2h tops...

    Also although his cause of death is now "multiple blunt force trauma" its "undetermined" if it was accidental/murder...

    maybe it was suicide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    maybe it was suicide?
    They should check his teacup for Polonium 210. It's been known to have deleterious effects.

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    Multiple blunt force trauma suicide. Sounds plausible
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    Here's some news for you!
    The Crap that Jeff Beck plays now days, SUCKS.
    I tried to watch him on AXS, had to change it.
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    The last time I saw Jeff Beck was when he was a contestant in the short-lived American Idol spinoff, American Sideman.
    He was disqualified shortly after this performance, when it was discovered that he and his singer were both British and professional musicians.

    https://youtu.be/bunNRu4mBbY?t=17
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
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    The Crap that Jeff Beck plays now days, SUCKS.
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    Sounds like Frank to me!

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    Many a moving changing artist eventually puts out stuff that their older fans find to be inferior. I usually try to give them the benefit of the doubt if their new stuff isn't markedly lower in complexity or an obvious effort to increase their income. Jeff stuff remains fairly complex and he takes plenty of chances; he hasn't followed Rod Stewart to Vegas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Here's some news for you!
    The Crap that Jeff Beck plays now days, SUCKS.
    I tried to watch him on AXS, had to change it.
    I don't know what AXS is but here is his set from Crossroads 2007

    http://youtu.be/Yy_9Unnnduc

    (I had hoped to post a link to his more recent shows at Ronnie Scott's but they are now "premium content".)

    I was not crazy about most of his studio work since the early 90's but live he has always been Jeff Beck Super Guitar Slinger and over the past 15 years has redefined the use of whammy bars in rock music. Playing with just his fingers his control over his guitar sound is in-fucking-credible!

    While most superstars are content to rest on their laurels Jeff Beck has continued to push the envelope for 50 years.

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    Mass Murderer complains about prison conditions

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/wo...-article-click

    from article:
    " He lives in a three-room suite with windows, about 340 square feet, that includes a treadmill, a fridge, a DVD player, a Sony PlayStation and a desk with a typewriter. He has been taking distance-learning courses at his country’s main university. He has access to television, radio and newspapers. He prepares his own food, and he entered the Christmas gingerbread-house baking contest at his prison."

    poor guy, anyone want to start a "go fund me" to get him a hot tub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedmich View Post
    Mass Murderer complains about prison conditions - - -
    <snip> - - - poor guy, anyone want to start a "go fund me" to get him a hot tub?
    Not the first time, he was putting up a good whine a couple months ago. His play station wasn't the most up to date one. Apparently nothing is too good for him. So, they should give him nothing. Well maybe lutefisk for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and nothing else but that.

    Come to think of it, serving the rest of his sentence in Attica would do him a world of good. He'll be hollering to go back to his cushy Norwegian prison after his first half hour there.

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    Ain't like he has anything else he has to do but buck the system.

    That guy has it easy, but over here, people think that prisoners should be locked in a barred cell, and have nothing to do all day but think "Oh woe is me, what have I done? I have been so wrong." What they don;t consider is that most of them will one day get OUT. Not everyone is in for a life sentence. You don;t want to drive a guy insane for 15 years then turn him out on the streets. That is why we feed them, and give them access to schools. We let them read books, and yes, watch TV.

    They have rules, like a guy can have a TV in his cell, but it cannot be worth over some nominal amount and cannot be over a certain small size. Used to be $80. Had to be his money, not state funds. Then it got out that they were getting color TVs, and people howled. They couldn;t understand why we didn;'t make them have black and white TVs. Simple, you can't BUY a black and white TV, even for $80.
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    Sadly Breivik only got 21 yrs, or 99.54 days per murder

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