Results 1 to 18 of 18
Like Tree11Likes
  • 2 Post By The Dude
  • 1 Post By bob p
  • 1 Post By g1
  • 1 Post By Leo_Gnardo
  • 1 Post By bob p
  • 5 Post By J M Fahey

Thread: Equipment Rental co. In Pullman, Wash.?

  1. #1
    Old Timer
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chill-Ville, VA
    Posts
    2,173

    Equipment Rental co. In Pullman, Wash.?

    Hey all,

    Friend is trying to rent some equipment out there in a few weeks... said there's a few companies, but there's also a lot of events. Anybody have any recommendations?

    Thanks!

    Justin
    "Are you practicing in the lobby of the municipal library? It's still a guitar amp and it SHOULD make some noise (!!!)" - Chuck H. -
    "When receiving a shock I emit a strange loud high pitched girlish squeak." - Alex R -
    "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

  2. #2
    Senior Member Enzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lansing, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    28,476
    1. Have a good idea what you want to accomplish. Have a list of gear in mind, but be ready to consider alternatives suggested by the suppliers. Remember, the idea is to get the job done, not to find a specific list of stuff.

    2. Have a budget.

    3. Is this a one time deal, or will he be doing this same thing more than once?

    4. If three companies rent this stuff, then get three proposals. Would you not shop around for a car or a guitar amp?

    5. There are event rental places, but places like music stores also do rentals in many cases. I used to work with a sound production company that also did retail sales and rentals.

    6. Ask other folks who have had similar situations who served them well.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

  3. #3
    Old Timer
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chill-Ville, VA
    Posts
    2,173
    Hey Enzo,

    Thanks for the advice, my buddy has most of that. I probably should have been a little clearer - was wondering if there were any companies anyone knew of out that way. I will tell my friend to check with the local music stores too, along with backline rental companies.

    I know they need a P-Bass, bass amp, a "particular" keyboard, a "particular" drum set & "particular" pedal, and 6 wireless in-ears. Of course, the artist has a specific list... to which I would say, carry your own d#@$ gear if you wanna be that picky!

    Justin
    "Are you practicing in the lobby of the municipal library? It's still a guitar amp and it SHOULD make some noise (!!!)" - Chuck H. -
    "When receiving a shock I emit a strange loud high pitched girlish squeak." - Alex R -
    "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

  4. #4
    Better Tone thru Mathematics bob p's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, USA
    Posts
    3,732
    Not bringing your own bass seems a little odd to me, but not bringing your own wireless in-ears seems very odd to me. Aren't those custom-fit?
    "Stand back, I'm holding a calculator." - chinrest

  5. #5
    Old Timer
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chill-Ville, VA
    Posts
    2,173
    Not all of them are custom fit...
    My friend is basically in PA trying to rent this gear for a conference, and I don't know where the musicians are coming from... one of those deals. I mean, I guess not everybody really cares what bass they're playing, and especially given the recent posts about the TSA's handling of our guitars! Personally I care very much which instruments I play, but my friend probably doesn't have the budget to ship everyone's instruments ahead. There's also a possibility that they don't actually HAVE instruments of their own...

    I don't want to get into speculating any more than I have, but I admit it seems a bit odd to not bring certain of your own things...

    Justin
    "Are you practicing in the lobby of the municipal library? It's still a guitar amp and it SHOULD make some noise (!!!)" - Chuck H. -
    "When receiving a shock I emit a strange loud high pitched girlish squeak." - Alex R -
    "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

  6. #6
    Senior Member Enzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lansing, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    28,476
    What kind of musicians don't have instruments?

    In this part of the USA, CHuck Barry used the Woolies as his backup band. Chuck arrives in town with his guitar...period. the band provides their own stuff as well as a pair of Fender Dual Showman amps per Barry's spec. Bob from teh Woolies used to bring those heads over before a Chuck Barry concert to make sure they were 100%. I could not imagine Barry needing a guitar as well.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

  7. #7
    Supporting Member The Dude's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Sioux Falls, SD
    Posts
    4,453
    Is there not a production company doing sound and lighting for the event? One would assume so. I would ask them.
    Justin Thomas and Leo_Gnardo like this.
    “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”

  8. #8
    Old Timer Leo_Gnardo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Dogpatch-on-Hudson
    Posts
    4,351
    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Is there not a production company doing sound and lighting for the event? One would assume so. I would ask them.
    Good suggestion. Pullman is sorta far away from everything in the southeast corner.

  9. #9
    Better Tone thru Mathematics bob p's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, USA
    Posts
    3,732
    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    What kind of musicians don't have instruments?
    Keyboardists? Many solo performers just spec the type of piano that they want on-stage.

    Could you imagine lugging around a Steinway Grand? It would be trashed in no time. I'm sure that there are a few rock acts who travel with their own pianos, B3, etc., but there have to be a fair number of performers that just use the house's concert grand or spec a current production keyboard for the backline. I think that most classical pianists who travel from city to city to perform with symphonies end up using the house piano.

    I know that McCartney has a crew that drags around a lot of gear, and that they drag his favorite upright around from city to city. Someone like Elton John may have a crew to schlep around his favorite grand piano, so he doesn't have to slum it by using the house piano. But I'm guessing that those headliner acts who bring their own pianos could be the exception rather than the norm.
    Last edited by bob p; 08-02-2017 at 03:50 AM.
    Justin Thomas likes this.
    "Stand back, I'm holding a calculator." - chinrest

  10. #10
    g1
    g1 is offline
    don't forget the joker g1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canada, somewhere north of Fargo
    Posts
    8,957
    Perhaps the Pbass is just a backup, in case his gets 'vandalized'.
    Justin Thomas likes this.
    Certified Dotard

  11. #11
    Old Timer Leo_Gnardo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Dogpatch-on-Hudson
    Posts
    4,351
    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I know that McCartney has a crew that drags around a lot of gear, and that they drag his favorite upright around from city to city. Someone like Elton John may have a crew to schlep around his favorite grand piano, so he doesn't have to slum it by using the house piano. But I'm guessing that those headliner acts who bring their own pianos could be the exception rather than the norm.
    It's different for each performer, depends a lot on budget, convenience & a couple other factors. I'm sure Sir Paul has deep pockets, his crew would carry a dozen uprights if he asked for it. Sir Elton? I worked with his former keyboard tech in the early 2000's. Elton's piano is a shell, with an electric piano slid into the space where the keys go. Saves having to hire a tuner every day, plus a choice of piano tones at the touch of a button. The electric-in-a-shell thing has been popular since the early 90's. When the piano tone changes from a normal classic piano to a tack piano to a Rhodes or Wurlitzer while the player stays at the same instrument, you know what you're looking at. "Could be a real piano with a MIDI output..." Yes, could be that too.

    1986 I was on the Nicks/Frampton summer tour. Stevie's pianist Jai Winding had a real grand up on the riser, I think it was a Yamaha. Her key tech supervised casing & uncasing it every day, lifting to riser then later dropping to deck, tuned it for sound check and again for show, and one amazing day he replaced a string while the show was in progress (!)

    Some jazz and classical pianists have endorsement deals. In those cases a local dealer will usually supply and tune the artist's Steinway, Yamaha, Baldwin or whatever. And in many cases, you just have to go with whatever you can get.
    J M Fahey likes this.

  12. #12
    Senior Member Enzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lansing, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    28,476
    bob, you are right, but I was thinking more a guitarist or bassist without an axe, hence the Barry example. Having one as a backup makes sense, I suppose.

    On the other hand, when we were touring in the 1970s, our key man decided he wanted a real piano, so we carried around a freaking 900 pound upright piano, it sat behind his organ bench at the B3.

    Same band a little later, somehow we got hooked up with Bobby Jones, who in turn was somehow involved with the greater Leon Russel community. He demanded we carry around a baby grand. Mind you we were touring large clubs and bars, no huge concerts. We weren't anyone special.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

  13. #13
    Supporting Member The Dude's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Sioux Falls, SD
    Posts
    4,453
    Grand piano mic'd and run through a giant sound system = Weighted key digital piano playing samples from a mic'd grand piano....................minus a few hundred pounds. My $.02.
    “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”

  14. #14
    Senior Member Enzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lansing, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    28,476
    Weighted key digital piano playing samples from a mic'd grand piano
    Would have been great if they had those in 1972.

    Not everyone likes a Fender Rhodes (including me) or a Wurly.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

  15. #15
    Better Tone thru Mathematics bob p's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, USA
    Posts
    3,732
    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    ... Same band a little later, somehow we got hooked up with Bobby Jones, who in turn was somehow involved with the greater Leon Russel community. He demanded we carry around a baby grand. Mind you we were touring large clubs and bars, no huge concerts. We weren't anyone special.
    My hat is off to you, Enzo -- hauling around pianos is the one thing that makes hauling a fridge look easy. Back in the day our keyboardist carried a Rhodes 88, a chopped B3, a litle Cordovox organ and a Super Twin Reverb. (That was before the days of the MiniMoog.) I thought his gear was a bit of an asspain but since I had help with the SVT I didn't complain. How could I complain when the horn players didn't have electronics to carry but they still helped with the heavy lifting?

    And to think guitarists complain that a Twin Reverb is too heavy! They don't realize how easy they've got it.

    Leo, I never paid close enough attention to notice that EJ switches instruments while staying at the same keyboard. Very sneaky.
    Justin Thomas likes this.
    "Stand back, I'm holding a calculator." - chinrest

  16. #16
    Senior Member Enzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lansing, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    28,476
    I toured a few months with another band, a big band, only horn band I ever worked with. I liked the horn section, they really punched up the music. They hung around together a lot. And they all did indeed pitch in to move stuff.

    As much as a full B3 is a pain to haul around, we knew a guy who hauled a C3 around.
    Education is what you're left with after you have forgotten what you have learned.

  17. #17
    Old Timer J M Fahey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Buenos Aires, Argentina
    Posts
    9,324
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
    Elton's piano is a shell, with an electric piano slid into the space where the keys go. Saves having to hire a tuner every day, plus a choice of piano tones at the touch of a button. The electric-in-a-shell thing has been popular since the early 90's.
    Funny you mention it
    I got this customer once: he played Classical Piano at a nearby Municipal Symphonic orchestra,

    so far so good, they had their resident grand piano of course and when touring or doing an outside gig they travelled with this HUGE anvil type case, a monster.
    Took a couple days to set up the full orchestra in a concert hall.

    They were on a State/Province/Municipal payroll of course, as their "main" job, but they also played private gigs, for their own pockets, say a reduced 16 piece orchestra or even a mini 4 piece quartet, self billing as "xxxx Symphonic plays Jazz/Tango/Folkloric Music/Vienna Waltzes/whatever".

    No big deal for most, they just dressed in black, including black shirts and ties, somehow it´s considered "Pro Musician" attire here, each one carried his own intrument in his car, no huge truck carrying everybody, everything fine ... except the piano player.

    A few times he tried to use his tiny but KILLER sounding Kawai electric piano on 4 skinny legs and he got angry stares and even actual complaints so he started carrying a vertical piano ... a mess given the lack of a general transport.

    So he phoned me, his problem was not solved by just embedding kis Kawai into an emptied (so WAY lighter) old piano, but since it was often played UN-amplified in small venues (as small as a home living room) he didn´t know how to do this unnoticed, the main problem was keeping an illusion.

    He didn´t want a loud brash piano, just same level as an acoustic, unamplified one.

    I embedded a 100W amp, simply for clean headroom, I guess it was used at around 15W average, plus a couple speakers, tweeters, some pointing downwards so you couldn´t *really* pinpoint where was sound coming from, only the general direction (which of course was the piano).

    Result was very convincing, even from a couple feet away you could think sound was truly coming from the soundboard, and was omnidirectional.

    There were even a couple extra 6" speakers inside, pointing upwards, so when you opened the top cover you could hear sound coming from inside, reflected from the top cover.

    It was a FUN project
    Last edited by J M Fahey; 08-02-2017 at 01:04 PM.
    Justin Thomas, rjb, g1 and 2 others like this.
    Juan Manuel Fahey

  18. #18
    Old Timer
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chill-Ville, VA
    Posts
    2,173
    Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
    Perhaps the Pbass is just a backup, in case his gets 'vandalized'.
    Or if you're Frank Zappa & The Mothers, sodomized...

    Justin
    "Are you practicing in the lobby of the municipal library? It's still a guitar amp and it SHOULD make some noise (!!!)" - Chuck H. -
    "When receiving a shock I emit a strange loud high pitched girlish squeak." - Alex R -
    "All I ever managed to do with that amp was... kill small rodents within a 50 yard radius of my practice building." - Tone Meister -

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 43
    Last Post: 01-17-2016, 08:54 PM
  2. DJ Equipment
    By Kawser in forum Music Electronics
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 12-30-2015, 07:33 AM
  3. Guitar rental Boson/Chicago
    By Joe bags in forum Music Electronics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-10-2014, 03:19 PM
  4. Test equipment......
    By stratrat_57 in forum Maintenance, Troubleshooting & Repair
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 06-25-2009, 08:08 AM
  5. What equipment do you need?
    By King Norre in forum Kit Amps
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 01-19-2009, 10:31 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •