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  • #61
    Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

    Can you point me to nfb wire? Thanks
    One moment. The injection poi t is at r34/r44/c16 junction. The nfb track in on the board, I see the output Jack's age soldered directly to board...
    "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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    • #62
      Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post

      One moment. The injection poi t is at r34/r44/c16 junction. The nfb track in on the board, I see the output Jack's age soldered directly to board...
      I see r34/r44, don't see c16/output jacks age on board.

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      • #63
        C16 should be between red mark and yellow mark. The red marked joint is the point of nfb injection in you circuit. Further you have a blue and green Mark's what I consider should be 100k nfb resistor solder points. You need to check somehow to be sure. Unfortunately you cannot broke the link without lifting the board as I see. The brutal crude intervention without lifting the board suppose to cut the track on board and to restore eventual with a wire link. I cannot recommend that, I have to think some else...till than do a cleaning with a tooth brush. I see some which seems solder rest between v6 pins
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        "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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        • #64
          Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post
          C16 should be between red mark and yellow mark. The red marked joint is the point of nfb injection in you circuit. Further you have a blue and green Mark's what I consider should be 100k nfb resistor solder points. You need to check somehow to be sure. Unfortunately you cannot broke the link without lifting the board as I see. The brutal crude intervention without lifting the board suppose to cut the track on board and to restore eventual with a wire link. I cannot recommend that, I have to think some else...till than do a cleaning with a tooth brush. I see some which seems solder rest between v6 pins
          Checked the two points between red and yellow marks and getting(OL) again. Point near blue and green marks is a capacitor that was changed and trace was damaged. Had run a mound of solder to connect cap leg to trace. It does show continuity up and down line from cap.

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          • #65
            Check again in those points red and yellow, I posted the pic again. You should have the 100n cap in those position
            Attached Files
            "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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            • #66
              Also check green and blue in the top of the marks not at the bottom. I drawin by a mobile phone sorry
              "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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              • #67
                Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post
                Check again in those points red and yellow, I posted the pic again. You should have the 100n cap in those position
                Changed DMM, red and yellow points(99.2nF)
                blue and green points(0.0 ohms)
                Rechecked 1st red and yellow points below P20(20.7nF).

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                  Changed DMM, red and yellow points(99.2nF)
                  blue and green points(0.0 ohms)
                  Rechecked 1st red and yellow points below P20(20.7nF).
                  C36(20.7nF)

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                  • #69
                    Man, I.m sorry but don't see any way to isolate nfb. You may take off those 100k which is on the other side of board or cut the tracr board between red and blue mark....
                    "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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                    • #70
                      Sent a new pic with blue and green points to measure
                      Attached Files
                      "If it measures good and sounds bad, it is bad. If it measures bad and sounds good, you are measuring the wrong things."

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                      • #71
                        I think maybe catalin wants to disconnect NFB to check OT phasing?
                        If so, maybe this is easier. The amp has a presence control. Is it working in the normal direction, or is it reversed? As you turn it up, the sound should get brighter.
                        (I'm assuming amp still works properly at lower volume settings)
                        Originally posted by Enzo
                        I have a sign in my shop that says, "Never think up reasons not to check something."


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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by catalin gramada View Post
                          Sent a new pic with blue and green points to measure
                          Blue and green points(0.00 ohms).

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by g1 View Post
                            I think maybe catalin wants to disconnect NFB to check OT phasing?
                            If so, maybe this is easier. The amp has a presence control. Is it working in the normal direction, or is it reversed? As you turn it up, the sound should get brighter.
                            (I'm assuming amp still works properly at lower volume settings)
                            The amp is not at full volume, but does work at lower volumes, but just noticed the presence control has no effect on brightness or volume

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by ca7922303 View Post

                              the amp is not at full volume, but does work at lower volumes, but just noticed the presence control has no effect on brightness or volume
                              bing bing bing bing!!!!
                              "Take two placebos, works twice as well." Enzo

                              "Now get off my lawn with your silicooties and boom-chucka speakers and computers masquerading as amplifiers" Justin Thomas

                              "If you're not interested in opinions and the experience of others, why even start a thread?
                              You can't just expect consent." Helmholtz

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by g1 View Post
                                I think maybe catalin wants to disconnect NFB to check OT phasing?
                                If so, maybe this is easier. The amp has a presence control. Is it working in the normal direction, or is it reversed? As you turn it up, the sound should get brighter.
                                (I'm assuming amp still works properly at lower volume settings)
                                So with presence not working, should I desolder one leg each of c16/c36 or something else? Thanks.

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