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    My concern over Lasix is that your eyes are not static. If I had had corrective surgery when I was 40, I might have seen without glasses then, but by 60 I would either have needed glasses or more surgery. And how many times can they cut in there?
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    Lets not overly associate HF with being junk... I've used (more like abused) a lot of HF tools and i must say they give it up with the best of them... Of course if your beating on small phillips or torx screwdrivers then shame on you they cant take that kinda wrenching but I have to say my HF 3/8 drive ratchet rocks way beyond what my Craftsman ever did.

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    I am not afraid of HF, but that said, I find for example their socket wrenches and nut drivers are not as cleanly and precisely cut as say the Craftsman examples. I buy a pack of 1/8 drill bits there to drill out some rivets or other hard use, and Don;t expect them to last very long. But why ruin expensive bits for that kind of job. But when I buy their pin punches to use as alignment tools, their steel rod is as good as one costing ten times the price, so why not? And so far their 6" ruler has not come up an inch short.
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    Something I hate about a lot of nut drivers is the inside taper. Sometimes the "nut" is very thin, shallow. Trying to get a grab on it with a socket like tool that has an interior taper can be problematic. My solution is to buy up! Get nut drivers that are made from one solid, high quality material rather than plated. That way you can grind them flat on their face so that they can solidly grab thinner nuts. Of course, finding solid rather than plated nut drivers with a deep and large enough hollow to accommodate larger screws can become a lengthy and frustrating internet session.
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    I love 6 inch Dial Calipers, and the ones at HF are good enough.
    I have them stashed in different places around the compound.
    Along with the HF cheapie meters.
    I have a cheap HF 3/4 inch Socket set for working on the tractor, and taking off the bush-hog blades.
    Good enough!
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    Some people end up getting Lasik to correct one eye for close vision and one eye for distance vision. I never liked that idea. My sister loves it.
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    My doctor actually proposed contacts that way as an option. I said no.
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    If I ever do contacts it's going to be for color. Not that I dislike the color I have. Hazel. The girls love it! But 'd do something like one all black and one all white. That could be some fun, first person perspective people watching. Crying children not withstanding
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I normally use a rectangular pair of 2.50 for looking at PCB, and if I need higher mangification than that, I have an old set of round frame 3.50 whose temples have broken off. I just drop the round specs onto my nose, sitting inside of the 2.50, and the result is 6x magnification. The only problem is that if I lean too far over sometimes the extra set will fall off. To get around that, I've worn two complete sets of 2.50 readers at the same time to get 5x.
    I get your point and this probably doesn't matter, but the number on readers and RX glasses is diopters and not magnification (X) factor.
    A pair of 2.00 readers is nothing like a 2X opti-visor or magnifier.
    Also, focal distance is important. Those magnifiers on amazon have a "short focal distance from lens to product is 0.2-2in (0.5-5cm), just like the principle of microscope". I don't really like having to put my face up close within 2 inches of things. I like to be able to solder with my magnifier on, so the 16 inch focal length I use works good for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    My doctor actually proposed contacts that way as an option. I said no.
    I had cataract surgery awhile back.

    They tried the same thing one me.

    Nope.

    Just set it up that I can see rocks on the Moon.

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    Well, in reading all this I just miss being able to see like I use to. No offense to the members here that have always needed scrips, but until I was in my thirties I enjoyed better than 20/20. Last official check when I was about twenty five I was still at 20/19. Now at 48 I struggled a little with the eye test at the local DMV last month. Of course it may have partly been their crappy, old illuminated visor tester. I do know my vision is noticeably impaired out to maybe twelve feet and unless I have a magnifying glass I might just as well throw my Thomas Guide at passing traffic. I keep readers in three strengths. 1.5, 2.0 and 2.5 so I'm ready for differing light levels and distances. Once in a while I do stack two pair when I need near microscopic vision. I prefer glasses with no upper frame so I can easily look over them like bifocals. This is necessary for my job because I traverse a lot of stairs, ladders and landscape terrain. I've experienced a much greater tendency for errant foot falls when looking through magnifiers. So I wear mostly these no top frame glasses and I wear them low on my nose. Giving me that old lady/ Ben Franklin look

    Anyway, I miss being able to see easily and well. Vision goes slowly so you don't notice much day to day until punctuated moments occur and you find yourself wearing Ben Franklin glasses and remembering when
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    [QUOTE=big_teee;429004]I take these, and I think they help.
    [url=http://www.bausch.com/our

    Can't hurt! Good call. The vitamin breakdown does give a heads up to the savvy vitamin shopper though. Very similar products sell for half or less (though they don't say Bausch & Lomb on the label )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
    I had cataract surgery awhile back.
    • They tried the same thing one me.
    • Nope.
    • Just set it up that I can see rocks on the Moon.
    Cataract surgery has improved a lot in 30 years. Back then my next door neighbor had it done and she was racked up for a good month. I accompanied a friend who was having cataract surgery about 7 years ago and there was no down time at all.

    As for Lasik surgery I have been using bifocals for almost 40 years - I can see close fairly well but have difficulty reading signs in the supermarket and on the highway. I don't usually wear glasses around the house. Progressive bifocals are great.

    BTW I used to get my glasses on sale from JC Penneys. Never once did they mark and measure my pupils on the sample frames which is necessary for bifocals to work properly (glasses don't sit the same on different people.) Since switching to Kaiser for my glasses they have been perfect (except for one time when they made them over for free, with the optician tweaking the prescription so that they would work better.)

    Progressive bifocals have worked so well for me why would I want lasik surgery???

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    [QUOTE=Chuck H;429007][QUOTE=big_teee;429004]I take these, and I think they help.
    [url=http://www.bausch.com/our
    Can't hurt! Good call. The vitamin breakdown does give a heads up to the savvy vitamin shopper though. Very similar products sell for half or less (though they don't say Bausch & Lomb on the label )[/QUOTE]

    I buys those at Sam's club, and they are cheap enough.
    I will stick with the name brand that the doctors prefer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Soft gels? You do know that Nature Made recalled their adult gummy vitamins last month because of staph, salmonella and mold?

    Recall: Nature Made adult gummy vitamins over staph, salmonella concerns - Story | abcactionnews.com | Tampa Bay News, Weather, Sports, Things To Do | WFTS-TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    I buys those at Sam's club, and they are cheap enough.
    I will stick with the name brand that the doctors prefer!
    I suspect that most opthamalogists will tell you that the generics work just as well if you'd rather not subsidize Bausch & Lomb's marketing and hoards of sales reps...

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    Generics don't always have the same ingredients.
    » Don?t Assume the Store Brand is Comparable
    I buy the real thing.
    I buy them at Sam's club to get the real thing, cheaper.
    I've been taking them for several years.
    But, do what you like!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Generics don't always have the same ingredients.
    » Don?t Assume the Store Brand is Comparable
    I buy the real thing.
    I buy them at Sam's club to get the real thing, cheaper.
    I've been taking them for several years.
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    I read the article and see no problem with the CVS brand since we probably already get enough vitamins C & E, zinc and copper in our diet or in a daily vitamin supplement. It is the lutein and zeaxanthin that we probably don't get enough of (if any at all.) As for there being an exact combination of the 6 ingredients, forget about it! B&L has no idea how much of the first 4 ingredients we are getting each day before we take their pills.

    As for the "unneeded" omega 3 fatty acids unless you are already taking high-dosage omega 3 supplements a little bit more should not cause problems...

    http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archiv...health-effects

    I have the same argument over name brand vs generic drugs with my son. Hey, I will try them both and if I feel that I get more benefit from the name brand I will buy it. One exception might be eye drops... I think I would pay extra for B&L because I don't want to put some chemist's concoctions in my eyes!

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    EDIT "ConsumerLab.com's tests showed that most, but not all, lutein and zeaxanthin supplements contain what they claim and meet other important quality parameters."

    https://www.consumerlab.com/reviews/...review/lutein/

    Said author Jennifer J. Yong, MD, "It's also crucial that physicians remind patients that, at this time, vitamins have yet to be proven clinically effective in preventing the onset of eye diseases such as cataracts and AMD."

    http://www.visionaware.org/blog/visi...claims-1666/12
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    A big thanks to Terry for telling us about AMD (Age-related macular degeneration) which is not the general lessening of our vision as we get older but a very specific condition, typically a blurry spot in the middle of our vision. The AREDS 2 formula has been shown to help people already diagnosed with AMD (however it has not been shown to prevent the development of AMD. One opthamalogist recommends regular use of sunglasses to prevent AMD... I just got a pair of prescription sunglasses and they are great for driving!)

    After reading some of the reports I see that one serious problem was found with some of the competitors' products: the lutein and zeaxanthin measured in their pills did not correspond to what was printed on the label. BTW dark green leafy vegetables contain both of those ingredients.

    What Are the Symptoms of Macular Degeneration?
    In its early stages, macular degeneration may not have symptoms and may be unrecognized until it progresses or affects both eyes. The first sign of macular degeneration is usually a dim, blurry spot in the middle of your vision. This spot may get bigger or darker over time.

    Symptoms of macular degeneration include:
    • Dark, blurry areas in the center of vision
    • Diminished or changed color perception
    If you experience any of these symptoms, see an eye specialist as soon as possible.
    How Is Macular Degeneration Diagnosed?
    Age-related macular degeneration can be detected in a routine eye exam. One of the most common early signs of macular degeneration is the presence of drusen -- tiny yellow deposits under the retina -- or pigment clumping. Your doctor can see these when examining the eyes. Your doctor may also ask you to look at an Amsler grid -- a pattern of straight lines that resemble a checkerboard. Some of the straight lines may appear wavy to you, or you may notice that some of the lines are missing. These can be signs of macular degeneration...

    Early detection of age-related macular degeneration is very important because there are treatments that can delay or reduce the severity of the disease.
    Age-Related Macular Degeneration: Wet & Dry Macular Degeneration, Causes, and Risk Factors

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    Generics don't always have the same ingredients.
    » Don?t Assume the Store Brand is Comparable
    I buy the real thing.
    I buy them at Sam's club to get the real thing, cheaper.
    I've been taking them for several years.
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    I read the article and see no problem with the CVS brand since we probably already get enough vitamins C & E, zinc and copper in our diet or in a daily vitamin supplement. It is the lutein and zeaxanthin that we probably don't get enough of (if any at all.) As for there being an exact combination of the 6 ingredients, forget about it! B&L has no idea how much of the first 4 ingredients we are getting each day before we take their pills.

    As for the "unneeded" omega 3 fatty acids unless you are already taking high-dosage omega 3 supplements a little bit more should not cause problems...

    Excess omega-3 fatty acids could lead to negative health effects | News and Research Communications | Oregon State University

    I have the same argument over name brand vs generic drugs with my son. Hey, I will try them both and if I feel that I get more benefit from the name brand I will buy it. One exception might be eye drops... I think I would pay extra for B&L because I don't want to put some chemist's concoctions in my eyes!

    Steve Ahola

    P.S. "ConsumerLab.com's tests showed that most, but not all, lutein and zeaxanthin supplements contain what they claim and meet other important quality parameters."

    https://www.consumerlab.com/reviews/...review/lutein/

    Said author Jennifer J. Yong, MD, "It's also crucial that physicians remind patients that, at this time, vitamins have yet to be proven clinically effective in preventing the onset of eye diseases such as cataracts and AMD."

    New Research: Top-Selling Eye Supplements Lack Scientific Evidence, Make Unsupported Claims - VisionAware Blog - VisionAware

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    A lawsuit was filed against CVS in January 2015:


    The plaintiffs, two California men with AMD who purchased the CVS product, say that Advanced Eye Health lacks the vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, and copper that the NIH studies deemed important to its formula.
    Instead, the CVS product contains two plant-derived antioxidants — lutein and zeaxanthin — and omega-3 fatty acids.


    However, in the conclusion for AREDS 2 [PDF], the NIH found that “Adding omega-3 fatty acids did not improve” on the original vitamins, beta-carotene, zinc and copper formula. And while the NIH concluded that lutein and zeaxanthin were safer than plain old beta-carotene, their addition to the formula “had no overall effect on AMD.”

    https://consumerist.com/2015/01/14/l...is-misleading/


    I am perplexed. If lutein and zeaxanthin were shown to have "no overall effect on AMD” I don't see how the other 4 very common ingredients (vitamins C & E, zinc and copper) would be effective. As pointed out previously it can't be related to the exact combination of those ingredients since there is no telling how much of them we are getting from our diet as well as any vitamin supplements we are taking.


    Play it safe: wear sunglasses when out in the sun. They will help prevent AMD and will help people already diagnosed with AMD.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck H View Post
    I prefer glasses with no upper frame so I can easily look over them like bifocals. This is necessary for my job because I traverse a lot of stairs, ladders and landscape terrain. I've experienced a much greater tendency for errant foot falls when looking through magnifiers. So I wear mostly these no top frame glasses and I wear them low on my nose. Giving me that old lady/ Ben Franklin look
    When I first got my progressive bifocals I was warned about going down stairs... Dang, it was like an acid flashback!

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    If that is the no line bi or trifocals?
    I can't wear them.
    You have to turn your head too much.
    I tred to hunt with them, and hated them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_teee View Post
    If that is the no line bi or trifocals?
    I can't wear them.
    You have to turn your head too much.
    I tred to hunt with them, and hated them.
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    I had problems with the misaligned ones from JC Penneys but not with the ones carefully measured at Kaiser. Maybe I just got used to them but they seem as natural to me as my regular vision, only I can read signs at the grocery store and on the highway. I do flip them up when looking at something up close.

    After wearing bifocals for a few years I thought that weren't helping that much so I ordered regular glasses. Damn, I'd look down at my watch while driving and couldn't make out the time at all!

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    sunglasses have been proven to help prevent cataract formation, but if they prevent AMD/age-related macular degeneration that's news to me. of course, neither one of those diseases are the ones that are effecting all of us as our corneas grow old and stiff. that condition is called presbyopia. people seem to be confusing 3 different eye diseases.

    the AREDS and AREDS-2 studies addressed prevention of ARMD and cataract formation, not presbyopia. while the official NIH funded studies found that specific vitamin formulations could help prevent the occurrence of ARMD, they yielded no positive results whatsoever about other eye problems like cataracts and presbyopia. the AREDS/AREDS-2 formulations were proven only to help prevent the dry form of ARMD.

    Unfortunately there has been quite a bit of over-extrapolation among vitamin sellers, the lay press and consumers who like to believe that these formulations promote general eye health. there's no data to support those assertions, they've only been shown to help prevent one specific disease. and like Steve said, the studies never even addressed combining these formulations with other vitamin formulations. doubling up on the vitamins from multiple sources may not be helpful.

    http://nei.nih.gov/amd

    http://nei.nih.gov/areds2/
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    Steve, keep beating that horse?
    Maybe he'll get back up!

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    Ever heard of "plumbers glasses"? They are regular bifocals, except the closeup part is on top and the distance on the bottom. It is for a plumber or anyone who climbs under something and has to look up at close work.

    I like regular bifocals. I have the close area wide enough to cover my whole desk top. Not the tiny area some use. I tried the progressive lenses and hated them. Those no-line bifocals have a continuous change from far to near, so you can look further up or down your lens depending on how far you want to focus. Unfortunately that means the focus is straight ahead. Off to either side of center, no matter close or far, the focus is less clear. SO if I glance to the side to read a highway sign but keep my head facing front, the sign will not be as clear. You basically have to aim your face at what you want to see. A narrow field of view.

    When I got my first pair of bifocals, the close area at the bottom was un nerving, as I walked up stairs or something, I was aware of that area kinda swirling as I moved. After a couple days, I got used to that.
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    I need cheaters but I don't need bifocals. My normal vision is OK and I just need something for reading. I'd like to have a pair of low-slung semicircle type readers that I can look over when I'm not reading, the kind that "Jonesey" the sonar operator wore in The Hunt for Red October. anybody know where to get them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob p View Post
    I need cheaters but I don't need bifocals. My normal vision is OK and I just need something for reading. I'd like to have a pair of low-slung semicircle type readers that I can look over when I'm not reading, the kind that "Jonesey" the sonar operator wore in The Hunt for Red October. anybody know where to get them?

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    That's what I wear, only smaller lenses. Look up "half moon", "half frame", "low riders", "peek over", etc. in combination with "reading glasses" and you'll find them. I use "no frame" glasses for reading. I find the frames in my periphery distracting and unpleasant. You can get perfectly acceptable glasses from the cheapie racks at hardware and drug stores too. But you have to try on several pair to find some with good, balanced lenses that don't present googly from one eye to the other or make you feel like you're looking through a fish bowl. Some of my better readers have been from such racks when selected hands on. NEVER buy cheapies sight unseen off the internet. Go at least mid priced ($15-$30) and go with a brand that has a good rep. Spending a little more on a useful tool is loads better than spending less on useless junk. IMHE the Dr. Dean Edell line have very good lenses and are worth their mid price point. I've never had the pleasure of owning a high priced, top end pair of readers.
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    I have found this set of precision slotted and Phillips bit to be extremely handy and dependable (the tips are made from a very hard steel.) I punched the stock # on the handle (74501) into Google only to find it discontinued, although people on eBay were selling them for $13 to $20 or even more.



    It turns out that Home Depot is selling a new version of the driver #71281H for $5.97. I can't say whether it is as good as the original but Home Depot has a great return policy if you don't like it.

    Husky 8-in-1 Precision Slotted and Philips Screwdriver Set-71281H - The Home Depot

    I found the same scenario for the Husky 8 in 1 Star and torx Precision Screwdriver Set, with the original stock #74502 set discontinued and replaced by the #70381H set for $5.97. (This set would be great for taking apart cell phones and tablets!)

    Husky 8-in-1 Precision Torx Screwdriver Set-70381H - The Home Depot

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    Screwdrivers that don't wear like butter knives are getting hard to come by. So let's hope the new product is of the same quality. I've SEEN chipped screw driver heads (on older screw drivers). I don't know how it happened and I've never managed to do it myself. What I see most often is heads bent and deformed. Not enough hardness and to much plasticity. It likely has more to do with the quality of the steel rather than some decision about an ideal steel temper. So spend another dime on the fricken steel and charge me fifty cents. I'll pay it! There's a reason they call some materials "tool steel". I wish tool makers still used the stuff.?.

    My pocket knife is made of 1095 tool steel. It's an old USA made Schrade Old Timer. I've been carrying the same model in my pocket since I was twelve! You can still find them on *bay for about thirty bucks (and worth every penny). This is maybe my fourth knife. I have a nearly new replacement in a drawer for when this one finally wears out. I probably won't need more than that but I'm considering getting another just in case. Since they aren't made anymore and their quality is now being recognized they will only go up in price and scarcity so it only makes sense. My point is... If I could get screw drivers made from real, honest to Pete tool steel with a good heat treat that performs like it should, that is the only brand I would ever buy. Since that ideal is so scarce I have to wonder if I'm the weirdo for recognizing the difference.?.

    Get your USA Schrade Old Timers while you can! And don't fall for the new ones made in China for Taylor that have a fricken US flag on the box. Schrade was purchased by Taylor in the mid 90's and the quality of the new product is NOT representative of the reputation.
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    I have a lot of those tiny chrome plated bits that strip out very easily. Never with this set which I read is made from "s steel" - whatever that may be. With the very small mass involved it should not cost that much to use the best steel. I guess I ought to buy the Torx set to check the quality of the bits.

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    I wrote nice reply and the forum crunched when I posted it.

    Chuck, try a pro tool from one of the garage suppliers like Snap-On or Mac or SK. Those are premium tools for guys who use them for a living.

    I have a small 1/4" drive socket wrench set from SK I have had for a few decades, and I love it. Little steel flip lid case, sockets 3/16-1/2", screwdriver type handle plus a small ratchet and two extenders.

    My Craftsman screwdrivers have always served me well. The only ones I ever bent were being used as prybars at the time, so my fault, not theirs. MY Craftsman #2 phillips have been great, and my big #3 for Marshall chassis screws and similar. I don't like Craftsman #1 phillips, for some reason the point always seems a trifle over long, and bottoms out in the screw before making a solid grip.

    And my Xcelite 99 series #2 phillips bits keep going and going and going. I love the 99 series. That is the yellow handle with a socket, and various blades you stick into the handle. So flat blade and phillips, but also posidrive and reed-prince. I have clutch head blades - those screws with the butterfly holes that Ampeg used back when. And they make nut driver blades. The ones I think I like most are the allen wrench blades. I have a metric and an SAE set. II have Torx blades for it. I wound up getting dedicated Torx drivers too, but the 99 kit is handy.

    I have a nice enough SK magnetip driver too.

    I have some Craftsman Pro spinner screwdrivers. Swivel end for your fingertip while you spin the barrel with your fingers. Like a big jewelers screwdriver. My set has #1 and #0 phillips and a 1/8" flat. All with 4" of blade sticking out the handle. I use them a LOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I wrote nice reply and the forum crunched when I posted it.
    While composing a post here every now and then Select All and copy it to the Clipboard to protect yourself from random crashes. And then do it again right before you click the button to post your reply. I keep getting error messages like "ticket has expired" and by taking precautions like that I am protected.

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    P.S. I expect the big screwdrivers from Craftsman, etc., to work well. For me it is always those cheap shiny 0000 and 000 bits that strip out unexpectedly when trying to take apart a tablet or cell phone...

    Actually those free-with-coupon 7 piece full-sized screwdriver sets from HF are pretty darned good... I grab them when I can and give them out to my friends and neighbors.

    P.P.S. Ditto for the Xcelite #99 sets! I carried a set in my toolbag for rooftop HVAC repairs with the screwdriver and nutdriver blades... and one of the big Craftsman screwdrivers for a prybar!

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    Thanks for the copy paste tip, Steve.

    It's not useful for amp work, but a good prybar set is useful. If I mess up a screwdriver I feel like I've abused the tool and the Craftsman guy is gonna give me the look when I return it. If I bend a prybar I expect him to be intimidated. When you use a good prybar you will wonder why you ever used a screwdriver.
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